Bob, we have talked many times over the past year or so........ I doubt
you will remember me...... I am Matt, a teenager in Georgia. I am an atheist,
most people do not know I am, but those that matter do. I love to debate
over God with my Christian friends. I am always able to use logic to explain
their 'proof' of God. One problem, one person, who has more faith in God
than anyone I have ever met, has made numerous points that I simply cannot
explain. I can't decide whether she is simply smarter than me, or if she
really is right. I hope that you can help me make sense of this, and if
not, maybe we will both discover something new: Here is the perplexing
point as told by her:
and Kim could not stand each other in the slightest... we had never
talked.... due to autumn twisting stuff around, and you know how she
can be.... about 14 or 15 people were all supposed to be going on
a missions trip... one night when I was up praying, god told me to
tell Kim that "she knew". I was like 'what the crap',... this is not
god , this is me... I could never tell her that, we do not get along
and she would laugh at me, but I decided if it was god then she would
not laugh and it would make sense.
one morning it was her
groups turn to pray,... she stayed there all morning on her face cringe
b/c she could see a missionary that was in pain. he was in jail... I guess
you call that a vision. well... I had no idea about this... I would have
called her a liar if she told me about it.
I was going
to tell her the next time I saw her and god said not yet.... and
I was like umm. okay... this must be me... and kind of ignored the
fact. when we went on the missions trip everyone split up into groups..
Pastor Steve did not put us two in the same
group because of the contempt for each other.
afterwards she kept
saying how she wanted to do something to help god out. that there are
people suffering like that and everyone turns a deaf ear. later that day
PS(Pastor Steve) had came to pick me up because I had gotten sick because
I was in the heat too long... Kim was in the vehicle as well. we were
just kind of listing to music and god told me now was the time... and
I was like this is stupid... I have no idea what the crap I am talking
about....at this point I still could not have cared less for Kim. I told
both PS and Kim that I thought it was god but it could just be me, and
that it is so small.... but I think god wants me to tell you that "you
already know." I realized what she knew and she and I and PS all stared
crying at the same time and I told her I was SOOO sorry that I had no
started crying about how she did not want to do that ... she said
I want to help you god but I do not want to do that.... she was pitching
a fit about it and I started silently praying and being mad at god
for making me be the one to give this kind of news.
and I did not even
know, I told him that it was not right that he should have had her prepared
and all of a sudden Kim blurted out..... hey instead of being Paul I can
be Pauline... . this whole thing was over the fact that she was going
to be a missionary and be put in jail and tortured... the night before
this a person had been praying for Kim and said wow you are going to be
a great woman you are going to help soo many people see the truth. she
knew what it was but did not want to accept it, I had no idea till after
I told her she knew....
I did not like Kim,
I had nothing in common with her and knew nothing about her... there was
no way in this world I could have pulled it up... I realized what she
knew before she said anything and I stared telling her I am sorry before
she started crying... that morning her and PS had talked about it. and
had decided that the only way to be sure it was not emotion was a sign
from god... I was the sign.}
Girl, Kim, had a vision that she was to be a missionary, and would die
a martyrs death and the original girl, Brandi helped her accept this vision
as truth. How do I explain this!? My first reaction was to disbelieve
it, but, the story is true. This girl has made several points like this
and they are all sound in truthfulness, I can meet them with humor, but
she is really starting to make sense. As you already know, I live in the
Bible Belt of Georgia, and I am used to hypocrisy of this area, but this
one girl is different. Is it possible that something else can explain
these occurrences other than God? Is it possible for her to just be a
prophet or would that be saying that God exists also? Please shed some
light on this........ I fear that I may be sucked into her beliefs.......
but what if they are right? I don't want to live a lie........ But what
if I, and we, already are? Is there a God?
Matt, I have
got a very simple explanation for all of this, but before you hear
it I am going to share with you my own personal "she knew" story.
In my high school
Christian youth group I had several very good friends. There were
six or so of us guys that hung around together a lot. Two of these
guys were brothers (Robb and Eric). One day Eric didn't show up
for school or church, and he didn't show up for several days after
that. When we asked Robb where Eric was he would always answer something
like, "He'll be back. I'd rather not talk about it." It was clear
that something was wrong but no one had any idea what. Then I had
I dreamt that
I was in my room and I heard pounding coming from inside my closet.
The door was shaking and Eric was inside crying for help. I struggled
to open the door, then when it did finally open Eric fell to the
floor bloody and bruised. It was a frightening dream. I tried to
help him but there was nothing I could do. He was too badly beaten.
The next morning I told my youth group friends about the dream I
two weeks of no Eric and no explanation, his brother Robb addressed
the entire group at our regular Wednesday evening gathering. He
told us all that Eric had attempted suicide by overdosing on aspirin.
Eric was taken to the hospital, had his stomach pumped and then
went to a "help center" of some sort. The whole time that Robb was
telling us this I had my face buried in my hands, shaking my head...
for the whole youth group to witness. They knew about the dream
I had and I wanted to be the friend most traumatized. My "brave"
head- in- hands- holding- back- tears was an immature ploy for attention.
This dream was going to be my "she knew" message from God. Finally
it was my turn.
Of course I
was up-set, but I over acted for the attention. Everyone did. Girls
who'd ignored Eric weeks earlier were weeping in small groups. I
reminded everyone of the dream I had, emphasizing the parts that
could pertain to attempted suicide and attaching meaning to various
segments to make it even more impressive... and it worked. My dream
impressed everyone, so I played it up even more. Yes, for the attention.
It's a normal teenage reaction. Never once did I want to consider
that I dreamed what I did as a result of the mystery and worry I
felt. Everyone knew something was wrong. The dream could have fit
any unfortunate event involving Eric, but I wanted it to be a message
from God, and so did everyone else. Oh what a wonderful conversation
piece it was. My popularity got a huge boost that evening because
I'd been a part of it all... through God... who was dubbing me Eric's
most important friend.
So my explanation
to you is this. It's an embellished story, exaggerated after the
fact, told and retold for attention, popularity, and to validate
faith. You are not going to be able to argue with Brandi about this.
You can only go with what you know. Do these girls fit this profile?
What has your experience shown you? Do you truly think that God
is toyin' with children's heads, using them to pass on these ambiguous
codes between each other?
I should also
remind you that I am a totally biased party. I feel/know that there
is no God, and my life experience points in that direction every
Now let me be
totally frank. When you're dealing with a circle of teenage girls
in the midst of a popularity contest, everything has to be taken
with a grain of salt, and this goes double if they're on a Christian
Missions Getaway. Those things are drama-havens.
died for your sins and mines
You should be ashame
of yourself. If you did not know, Jesus died for your sins and mines,
and he lives today. But most of all he loves you, how can you do
this? This is heart breaking, not funny!
No Meekspat, I did NOT
know that He died for mines! I have to tell you that this comes
as quite a shock to me. I'm bothered that Jesus gave His life for
such a horrible tool of war. Did you know that 30%-40% of all mine
victims are children under the age of 15 and in the last year there
was an estimated 20,000 new land mine casualties! Land mines cause
extensive injuries, which often lead to amputation, severe disabilities,
and psychological trauma!
The fact that Jesus Christ
sacrificed His life for them and now all of this has happened totally
cancels out sacrificing Himself for our sins. It's a lot less funny
and tons more heart breaking than my site could ever be... in fact,
any shame I felt about making Jesus Dress Up has been completely
cleared by this news.
What a horrible thing
Thank you for your informative email Meekspat.