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One day, Bob, you’ll look at your life and say,
“Shit, my life is a pile of shit!”


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Hey Bob,

I hadn't been out to your site in a long time and was re-introduced to it by the use of your Strangers footage in some video I clicked through on Fark.

I successfully de-converted from Christianity about 2-3 years ago through the works of Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, and more recently Dan Barker. I live in the deep south, USA, and am compelled to keep my atheism a big secret due to the fact that most of my family and friends are religious types and some of which are close followers of various megachurches.  I suppose that the biggest reason I don't disclose my lack of belief is that I don't yet have the ability to rebut (well, to "put the rebuttals into meaningful sentences in the heat of battle" is probably more accurate) many of the wild claims made by people who have obviously not read their holy book in its entirety.  It's definitely a frustrating thing.

Anyway, sorry to be all dry and serious, but the point of my email is really to say "thanks" for what you're doing and that you set a fantastic example for budding nonbelievers who are looking for ways to express their non-belief but are having problems getting started. :)  I just finished watching your "The Theory of Evolution" video on YouTube and am stoked about watching the rest.  I hadn't heard the "... how can one be happy in heaven while a loved one is in hell" argument before and am looking forward to trotting that one out at some point.  

A quick book suggestion - a few months ago I read "The Philosophy Gym" by Stephen Law, unfortunately only available via amazon.co.uk and not available in eBook format, but an EXCELLENT introduction to a variety of topics that I think most believers could really benefit from.  As your video I mentioned above suggests, some believers lack the ability to think critically and scientifically, and the book gives a great and solid foundation for critical thought.  I realize I'm generalizing here (which is why I tried to qualify it with "some" believers), but when my local news and newspaper is overrun with logical fallacies it's tough not to estimate the numbers as "very high."

Gotta run... just wanted to share my admiration for your work.

Take care and thanks,
Hobart 

 


Hi Normal,

Did you try reciting that whole [second] sentence in his article? Make sure you take a deep breath! And also notice how his cited reference only harms YOUR case, but not his! If he doesn't see that following his own logic here makes it doubly un-convincing that a loving God that did bible-y stuff actually was true (our brain lies to us), he is a reality-denier, a solipsist.

There's no point in even talking with them, because either they are figments of our imagination, or we are the figments. After all: if our brains lie THAT much, as he is suggesting, then his own brain is also a liar, and he has no real reason to believe, except for the hell of it. He has no basis for deciding that the hell of the bible is what he's interpreted it to be, for his lying brain is just allowing him to feel comfort. And there would be no use convincing anyone else, because his brain just created us, no? I shut down on solipsists as soon as I determine their reality-denial.

Maybe it's all true, that there is no truth. But it therefore would be irrelevant to anyone's life. He lives his life as if it were real. I don't play those games.

Hellbound Alleee
hellboundalleee.blogspot.com

“how many sets of those magnets have you sold?”

Subject: magnets

I’m curious, how many sets of those magnets have you sold?

Gary Amirault

Well over 20,000.

Bob

“What if you discovered He really was real, what the bible said of Him was true... What would you do with all that guilt and shame?”

So then Jesus has been pretty good to or for you, hasn’t he?;-)
 
On a more serious note, how do you think you might feel, if after it was all said and done, on the other side of the grave you discovered a Jesus who truly did save your ass from eternal death, (not everlasting punishment as the traditional church teaches), but non-existence. What if you discovered He really was real, what the bible said of Him was true, that He is the “savior of all mankind.” What if he truly loved you with a passion that is beyond your present ability to receive? What would you do with all that guilt and shame you would probably experience in that moment? How could you get rid of it? I don’t know if you have any experience with guilt or shame. Some folks are experts in hiding that kind of stuff very very deep, too deep to contemplate on.

Of course this is obviously hypothetical. But if it is possible for you to ever have a serious moment in your life without turning it into a psycho joke of some sort, I’d like to hear your answer.
Thanks, Gary Amirault

Wow. Well to start off, you're doing A LOT of assuming here. I mean, first of all I wouldn't feel any guilt whatsoever. God & JC have every opportunity in the world to make themselves known beyond what could be perceived as made up by flawed men. You know, like actually performing miracles here and now like they did so freely in Bible-times. Unfortunately every single account of them, everything people use to prove they're real is no different than the flimsy proof anyone would use to prove any god we've invented to be real. Go ahead. Think of evidence you have to prove your god & Jesus are real and there's someone on the opposite side of the world saying the exact same thing to prove a completely different god. That right there relieves me of any guilt at all for not believing the words & writings of men. We're flawed, and god should expect us to highly suspect the tampering of men.

No guilt at all will I feel for making a silly dressup game of the God of the Universe. You seriously picture him expecting shame on my end? As if he'd have no clue how someone on earth might think he was just as made up as all the other gods and fairies and UFO's and dragons and Bigfoots and ghosts, and everything else we've made up but say is true? You think Jesus would be shocked that I considered people lie about such things? You really think Jesus wouldn't accept the response "Uh, Jesus, men have been known to make shit up, and your shit here sounds totally made up."

Gary. That's my answer. I have no problem at all saying it free of guilt, with absolute confidence, a grown man who stands by what he says.

Now, as for you. Can you answer that question for me? How would you feel if after all's said and done, on the other side of the grave you discovered Allah and the Prophet Mohammed saved you from hell, an eternal death? How would you feel knowing you wasted your life worshipping a false god, knowing that the One True Allah weeped in the arms of his sweet Mohammed because you denied them during your short, ignorant stay on earth? What would you do with all the guilt and shame and pity you'd feel in your heart for not bowing to Him; He who loved you so very much? Instead you wasted all your love and gratitude on a false god named Jesus Christ? This may be far to deep to contemplate on, which is precisely the excuse I'm letting you use for not expecting this to be turned right back around on you.

Jesus, Gar. They're god's up in paradise living forever and ever in absolute perfection flying around in outer space on giant angel wings, inventing entire solar systems with the point of a pinky finger, while we spend our puny lives working our asses off flipping burgers, watching people we care about die tragic deaths, every day having to deal with stubbed toes, lumps in our nutsacks, and worrying about flossing enough or getting hit by a bus. If you're spending your waking life worried about the feelings of the super-beings in paradise then, my friend, you've got everything ass-fucking-backwards.

So I was able to summon the courage to answer your question. Let's see if you've got what it takes to answer mine. I'd adore hearing what you have to say to that.
Bob

“There is a deep hurt [in you] that wants revenge, that wants payback, that wants justice where there doesn’t seem to be any justice. All this little boy knows how to do is flail his hands and feet and try to destroy the beautiful image”

Thanks for your answer, Bob. It wasn’t a flip answer, you put some thought into it and I appreciate that. Before I get to my answer to you, let me clarify some things about your answer. Is it your nature to trash anything and everything that comes your way that you may not understand? From what I get from your answer, the things people tell you about God are so varied and so bizarre to you from your perspective and understanding that it gives you the right to earn a living trashing them and making them look not only ridiculous but quite demeaning. Yes, you use humor, and that softens up some of what you do, but I get this sense of a little boy who doesn’t like what he sees that may really mess with his wants if he lets the image/thought/concept in so he scribbles in his mind all manner of graffi across the thought so he doesn’t have to look at it. I see this rebellious kid who uses humorous sarcasm to the hilt to mar a beautiful picture that is locked up deep in your subconscious mind. There is a deep hurt that wants revenge, that wants payback, that wants justice where there doesn’t seem to be any justice. All this little boy knows how to do is flail his hands and feet and try to destroy the beautiful image, and image he doesn’t even know what it would actually look like if he stopped throwing shit on it. This rebellion has a life of its own, all it knows is how to throw shit. And there is some sense of satisfaction in throwing shit, but eventually one gets tired of flailing the arms and legs. Honestly, are your arms getting a little tired?
 
By the way, you’re talking to a guy who was an atheist most of his life. I don’t like most of what goes on in churches, ALL of them. I don’t believe in a hell of everlasting punishment and I believe I can prove that from the scriptures. I don’t believe in “eternal death” which is different from everlasting punishment in a Hell. They are not the same. I believe Jesus died for all mankind and that He will “drag all mankind to Himself,” not to torture them forever, but to deeply, intimately love them forever. John 12:32. So if our correspondence continues, please do the best you can to try to get me out of the box you may throw most people who have beliefs you call religious. I really hate religion, I don’t consider myself “religious” but you probably will. I’m saying this because once we label a person with a label, our sub conscious mind has been programmed to believe is worthless, then the communication is severely crippled. So, are your arms a little tired?
 
Here’s an article I posted recently dealing with that sub conscious thing:
Programmed to Lie, by Gary Amirault
http://tentmaker.org/blog1/?p=142

Gary,
I love your emails. The best part about them is not only do you blatantly dodge the questions I asked (the same ones I was brave enough to answer for you), but in your complete sidestepping you inclose a 6 page article YOU wrote on how locked we are into our own individual truths, to the point where we completely dodge anything which contradicts our most cherished beliefs. And the BEST part is your article is structured around the idea that believing in the Bible & Jesus Christ as Lord is starting with a blank slate! *Arms flailing* That the level playing field we should all ideally begin our intellectually honest examination of claims is through the lens of Holy Scripture, the only book we can all agree is 100% flawless. Brilliant.

Yes, I'm flailing my arms around, dancing about the coffee shop trumpeting your failures. And No, even after 10 years they're not tired. But come on Gary! You have to admit you folks make it so so easy to tease and taunt you! I mean, it's exactly what's to be expected of anyone who claims a god. Any god! And you consistently lack the skills of anticipating the counter argument, or simply asking the question of yourself before you pitch it to others. They're such basic rules of debate and inquiry, and they're so consistently missing from the vocabularies of believers. What does that tell you? You're all so skilled at tip-toeing through the mine field of your beliefs, I simply can't get enough of what ends up being such an entertaining dance.

If you can figure out a way to deprogram your eyes from hazing over when they see questions they don't want to see so your brain can get its "fix" I'm more than ready to read your response. Until then though I'm not sure what more you can expect from me other than further mockery. You've got to understand, you leave me no choice!
Bob

“Bob, I’m not interested in speaking with that outer wall of sarcastic demeaning angry crap that paints anything of value or meaning with shit”

I know a woman who had a dream/vision in which she saw a little black imp of a child in a dark womb-like outer covering. Looking at the dark outer covering, she thought this is who she really was. Then a light like lightning broke through that outer thick wall that she thought she really was . When the light broke through that outer dark covering that she thought she was, she discovered that she was really that frail dark (unknown) balled up child within. The light surrounded that child as a covering and said, “From now on I will be your covering.”

Bob, I’m not interested in speaking with that outer wall of sarcastic demeaning angry crap that paints anything of value or meaning with shit, I’m interested in reaching in and speaking to the child within that is afraid of the light, afraid of being vulnerable, afraid of being exposed because of fear. Until I find that little person, you’re just gonna take whatever I say to you and turn it into shit, because that’s all that outer part of you is made of. Now shit can become useful later on turning it into manure in which things can be planted. But right now, when you flail, nothing but shit flies. Kapish?

Dr. Sam Wang, associate Professor of Molecular Biology and Neuroscience at Princeton University, earning his Ph.D. from Stanford University School of medicine states, “At any given moment, our brain is probably lying to you. Although you think you perceive the world directly, your brain analyzes stimuli in ways that may not reflect reality.” (from an outline of his course “The Neuroscience of Everyday Life.”

Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill

Gary Amirault

Um, if you're not interested in the angry, demeaning speak then you shouldn't email me your angry, demeaning speak. I mean, you started it with the "How will you deal with the guilt and shame and crying yourself to sleep every night" comments; The comment that I addressed at length then asked you to do the same but you refuse? Do you remember that?

Hey, could you look down at what you're wearing and tell me if it ties in the back with your butt exposed and has hospital bracelet accessories?

Bob

“I’m surprised that by now you haven’t gotten totally sick of it. There is no talking to it, Bob”

You see, there’s the shit again. It’s that black womb-like outer covering that isn’t you. It’s really crappy. I’m surprised that by now you haven’t gotten totally sick of it. There is no talking to it, Bob, because it is crap through and through. Yes, you can make money out from crap, Hollywood is full of it and they’re millionaires. But it’s time for you, Bob, to turn your shit into manure. You’re little trashing Jesus and Mohammed for bucks is a cheesy way of making a living. You were meant for much more.

Gary Amirault

Believe me, I am endlessly, immaturely, obnoxiously entertained by my own BS. It'd make you sick to your stomach if you knew exactly how much it did for me. It's the only way to be towards people who get all preachy, don't listen, and are too deluded with their own one-idea church-chatter to communicate with the outside world.


Btw, You're posted on the site along with all your links, if you want to comment you're completely welcome to join in. 

Bob

“One day, Bob, you’ll look at your life and say, Shit, my life is a pile of shit!”

Bob, in your world, is everything that does flow perfectly with you “hate mail?” I don’t hate you, not even close. But your biased mind throws everything that isn’t painted with your colors as hatemail. Like the scientists these days are discovering:

Dr. Sam Wang, associate Professor of Molecular Biology and Neuroscience at Princeton University, earning his Ph.D. from Stanford University School of medicine states, “At any given moment, our brain is probably lying to you. Although you think you perceive the world directly, your brain analyzes stimuli in ways that may not reflect reality.” (from an outline of his course “The Neuroscience of Everyday Life.”

Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill

One day, Bob, you’ll look at your life and say, “Shit, my life is a pile of shit!” And then you’ll begin your climb out of the sewer.

Gary Amirault
http://vimeo.com/user1651747

Your comment on this page would be delightful.

 

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