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To Bob

With all this determination to prove God wrong arent you doing the very thing that your accusing churches of doing? (this is not an accusation just a question to find out who you really are).

I understand what you mean about people in church being judgemental (something i read on one of your email replies) I see it myself in my own church. But at the end of it all people are like this and those people arent representing Christ. In other words they are only human and thay are doing their best to represent Christ but there are not many who can truly represent him.

I also read about something you said about everyone before Jesus not going to heaven, well from what i understand Jesus is outside of time his death was eternal and when Jeus returns ALL will be judged witch i think includes those before Jesus. Im trying to be careful with how i word this, i know that nothing i say to you will convince you to believe any differently. (and frankly its up to you what you choose to do this is just personal interest and partly, if im honest, a desire that you do see something of why christians are who they are) I just want to prove to myself that you are not just like any other paster who blindly believes but instead you are a person who embraces all angles of belief and not just his own.

My first question is - Why do you believe all this? what started all this off was there a certain event or something you prayed for that you received no answer for? id like to here it all, i dont want back loads of evidence about there being no God i just want the events that caused you to believe what you believe

and...
What is your stance on the afterlife what do you belive?

I ask that you to treat what i have said with respect and i will respect anything you say in return, we are both human beings. Also please dont go on about my spelling and punctuation or any other mistakes i get enough of that from my dad lol! I would also like to say that if i recieve no reply or i see parts of this email used on your website to prove your theory you will be just as bad as the people that you accuse. Just forget those supporters and non-supporters of christ who twist the bible text and any other text because i know your excuse for not believeing the bible is that it was written by men im not gonna argue theres no point in going into all that, i know the bible helps me endlessly and my PERSONNEL proof of the bible is the amount of times it has been right in prophesy and scientific areas. Not to mention its the only book that when i read i love what i learn. (even tho i do get bored reading it a lot of time cos some boring men did write it even tho God influenced them no-ones perfect). But im gonna stop babbling bout that bible i just want to stick to a personnel angle sorry i babble.

From Chris
myspace.com/
hawooimsaladboy



Chris, let me make one thing perfectly clear. I have no problem with people preaching what they believe. If you know the truth then you'll get a pat on the back from me for preaching it. Preaching the truth however, also includes defending it! And defending it includes having logical reasons for why you believe what you believe. Faith is not a reason. Faith is an excuse for when you have no logical reason. It's just saying that you believe for no reason at all except just because. Because you hope it's true, even if evidence and commonsense don't jive with what you believe. Preach it and defend your stance. Otherwise, consider yourself still on the fence.

There are so many reasons why I don't believe in any gods, or an afterlife, or messiahs and prophets. Most of the reasons are simply based on none of it making any sense (How can one enjoy heaven while others suffer in hell? What if you have loved ones in hell? How did the animals all around the world find their way to the ark, and redistribute themselves back to their natural habitats after it landed? How do dinosaurs logically fit in with the creation described in Genesis? And believing in Jesus is just as reasonable as believing in Muhammad, Buddha, Vishnu, Volos, Thor or any of the gods we humans have invented to suit our needs). While the other side of that coin is – The answers that science provides make a lot of sense and can actually be tested and proven.

It's all very simple why I believe what I do. I believe that which makes logical sense despite whether or not I'm comforted by the answer, or whether it makes me happy or sad. I believe it because it can be proven and explained without bringing faith, miracles, superpowers, or magical D&D type characters into the equation.

My switch from being an official believer to an official atheist happened over the course of about a year, between 29 and 30 years old. I'm 37 now. It started when I realized that I no longer respected the explanations that came out of my mouth. When I told people about what I believed I felt foolish, like another pawn in some cult, no different than anyone else I'd heard trying to explain their Mormonism, Catholicism, Zendickism or encounters with spacemen, ghosts, angels, gremlins or demons.

I also know that I just wanted to live forever. I wanted the afterlife, so I made every excuse necessary to keep my beliefs true in my head, even if I knew I wasn't making any sense whatsoever. It was watching myself walking down that path of Not-making-sence that started to upset me. The more foolishness I heard coming from my mouth the more I found myself falling away from what I'd been taught as a child, and searching for reasons that made sense. This is what led me to atheism. It just made total sense. It wasn't pretty, but it was sensible, and that's what mattered to me. You can go on talking about mental telepathy with supreme beings in other dimensions, but I was done with it. I wasn't a kid any longer. I was a man, and I wanted my words to be respected, and my beliefs to have real reasons.

I am an atheist, Chris. I don't believe in eternal paradise for those who luckily believed the right religion and eternal suffering for those who accidentally were born in another country. I believe when you're dead you're dead. You go to the same place you were before you were born. You stop existing. It makes perfect sense. People have no problem giving such a fate to jungle animals, so why isn't it also the case for people? Because we think we deserve better. We think the universe revolves around what each of us believe, and that up in the sky there are super beings fighting over us with opposing armies battling in the cosmos. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that they're just made up stories.

Now try and explain your beliefs to me like it's based on reasonable science, and you're not just making up stories as you go along.

Bob
myspace.com/normalbobsmith

“just wondering why you made it or what do you get out of it? (sorry for being so ignorant)”

Subject: Please Answer Back!
Hey whats going on,

I just had a question about that web site that you have Jesus Dress Up or something like that and i weas just wondering why you made it or what do you get out of it? (sorry for being so ignorant)

Jose Pena
srjosepena@yahoo.com

I mean, it's how I make my living, if that's what you mean. The magnets I sell, and the traffic it brings my "for hire" page, those are each things I get out of it. Is that what you're asking?

Bob
“I tought you were going to tell me that you use it to make fun of Jesus”

Yes, thats what i was looking for. I tought you were going to tell me that you use it to make fun of Jesus, Do you have that purpose in your mind or is it just straight bussiness?

Jose Pena
srjosepena@yahoo.com

Oh! Haha, yeah! It's totally to make fun of Jesus! I didn't understand what you meant! Yes. Definitely making fun of the magic tricks Jesus made, and his "God Of The World" title and the flying up to paradise without a rocket jet and all that junk! Haha! Sorry. Yeah.

Bob

“IF I DONT BELIEVE then I might loose that HEAVEN!”

Well, the way i see it is this way; I know im going to DIE. I dont know WHEN. If i believe in GOD and the Bible and all that Jesus said to be believed, I dont loose ANYTHING. I even may gain some friends, makes me feel secure and truly happy and it kind of like EXPLAINS everything around me.
What do I mean? I mean that it makes me understand why the GovernmenT acts the STUPID way it acts and why there is much S**t going on in todays society. Its really interesting trust me. (Example: Where Iraqs war is going to lead the world)

IN the other side of the coin IF I DONT BELIEVE then I might loose that HEAVEN that alot of people talk about. I have tried it and I felt empty wanting to kick everyones a*s and trying to find everyones mistakes so i can tell them in their face. Its not worth it to me. I have my family and i like to be happy with them. If i didnt believe i would be a DRUNK-A*S like my dad and i feel that i got to change that pattern. And I will!

My dad used to go to the bar every day of the week except Sundays (he had to recober from the hang-over to start a fresh week) Now he only goes once a week. How did it happen? i dont know i just did what i had to do. Now he will not be going to the bar for the next month and a half. Why? He broke his leg steping out of the bar last Saturday. Maybe SOMEONE is trying to tell him that someone wants him to be home.
So do you think Im F**ked in my mind or should i Keep believing all this that is happening around me.
(SORRY FOR MY "EMOTIONAL" LITTLE STORY BUT HEY I GOT TO SAY MY TESTIMONY)

Jose Pena
srjosepena@yahoo.com

BUT, what if you're believing in the wrong god, and Jesus isn't the way into heaven? And instead the correct way into heaven is through Allah, the God of all Muslims? What then? You better believe in Him too! Oh! And what if it's not either of those gods but instead the correct god is Wulf Zendik the Lord of the Zendiks? What then?? You could "loose" all of heaven FOREVER if you don't believe!

And what about all the other gods and religions? Those might be the ticket too!! It's quite the chance you're taking not believing in all those guys too! What about your guarantee into paradise forever in the afterlife! Can you imagine if you're stuck in hell forever all because you accidentally didn't believe in Thor the Hammer wielding God of Thunder!

Seems to me like you're taking a terribly huge risk not believing in everything that might possibly be true in case it's the only way into heaven. WHAT ABOUT THAT, JOSE!?!?!?

Bob

“Why would this country go down if we are so religious and are christians????
because we also allow abortion, we allow gay marriage, we are the most consumers of alchol, we smoke the most, we consume the most drugs, we got the best child and normal porn, we dont believe in GOD, we do belive in the visible GODS (like wulf), we love sex out of marriage and on and on, its clear prepare for rough times man its coming.”

This is where it gets fun. About 98% of religions believe in the exsistance of Jesus, almost all of the religions believe in the bible. Believe it or not, Muslims believe in Jesus as the Messiah too. Check it out.
The only difference is that they dont believe that he died for our sins, they believe that HE WAS BORN OF A VIRGIN BUT DID NOT DIED, INSTEAD they believe that he went to heaven with out dying first like Christians believe.

PERSONAL EXPLANATION:
Back in the day, they would kill a "goat" (it had to be spotless) to offer it to GOD as a sacrifice for their sins or they would put their haeds against a cows head to pass the sins or demons to the cow and then kill it and GOD was cool with that!. But then after they killed the cow or what ever sacrifice, they would just go back to doing sh*t again and thats where GOD was like; What a heck!!!! So he got mad and then he sent his son to do the final and the forever-lasting sacrifice. So now we owe all our sins to Jesus because he came and died for us the sinners. Thats why he is going to be out lawyer when the devil accuses us of been bad to go to hell so Jesus is going to say "oh no father I know bob he did all that bad stuff but i know his heart and i know he did those bad things because of this or that so dont send him to hell i paid for his sins and he recognizes that i did so he accepts me as his savior and his faith in me is what is going to save him" and thats kind-of what i think is going to happen in the court in Judgement Day.

It was a way of GOD saying This is it! You Have to Pick! Good or Evil. So he left the New Testament (after Jesus died) and combined it with the Old Testament which was written thousands of years b4 Jesus (theres proof of it, actual rolls) and then thousands of years later the things that were written back-then became true. Example: In the book of Psalms in the Old Testament says= "He (meaning GOD) protects all his(meaning Jesus') bones, not one of them will be broken" This is in the book Psalms chapter 34 verse 20 its somewhere else in the bible too but i dont know where-- then so many years later when Jesus is in the cross they were going to brake his legs as a tradition done to the crucified but he died little-earlier b4 they did it, so that the prophecy would be fullfilled so they didnt instead one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water, this is in the book John Chapter 19 Verses 35 trough 37 wich is in the New Testament. The bible tells us about Law, history, Knowledge, Prophecies)

So basically they dont believe in Jesus dying but they do believe that he came and they are also waiting for him to come back like most of the world. that includes all religions based on the bible. So they are also waiting for him to come back, they do believe that he is the Messiah and that he is the TICKET to passing "Judgement Day"

****Muslims Vs Christians****
the only reason why they dont like the US or christians is because this country protects Israel (THE JEWS) THE CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD! and thats what hurts on them. They think they are the chosen. But it says in the bible that Jesus is the King of the Jews, that he was born in Israel and they believe in Jesus so thats where it gets confusing for them.

So you ask your self if the Jews are the chosen how we got a chance right?(that s what i used to ask my self) Well it says in the bible that anyone that believes in Jesus GOD accepts him and adopts him as one of his own.

Why do you think they want that piece of Israels land? (the one that they fight with Israel for, all the time) Because its Jesus' land

Why do you think this country is the most powerful? Because GOD is using it as a tool to protect its land and its people.

so that leads me into my little personal conclusion that if US stops the help to Israel this country is going down because its not doing what GOD wants it to do.

Why would this country go down if we are so religious and are christians????
because we also allow abortion, we allow gay marriage, we are the most consumers of alchol, we smoke the most, we consume the most drugs, we got the best child and normal porn, we dont believe in GOD, we do belive in the visible GODS (like wulf), we love sex out of marriage and on and on, its clear prepare for rough times man its coming.

Man, go for the FACTS and the EXPLAINABLE

Wulf relished his chosen role as iconoclast (definition: One who attacks and seeks to overthrow traditional or popular ideas or institutions).
If you think we are nuts for believing in something that SUPPOSELY is not true or that is the wrong one, i think we are better of with that then believing in another one like us (wulf zendik-a human)

TO WRAP IT UP, ALMOST ALL RELIGIONS BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE, JESUS AND HIS SACRIFICE FOR US, ONE AND ONLY ONE GOD, THEY ALL BELIEVE IN JUDGEMENT DAY, AND HEAVEN. I DO BELIEVE THAT SOME BELIEVE IN SOME LITTLE THINGS DIFFRENT THEN THE OTHER BUT I JUST TRY TO CONCENTRATE IN THE FACTS AND I TRY NOT TO FOLLOW EVERYTHING THAT IM TOLD BY OTHERS BUT WHAT I FEEL THAT GOD WANTS ME TO FOLLOW AND SO FAR TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH CHRISTIANS ARE THE ONES THAT I HAVE FOUND TO BE REALLY EXPLAINABLE AND MORE ACCURATE. I TRY TO STUDY OTHER RELIGIONS BUT THEY DONT HIT THE SPOT. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I WAS RAISED CATHOLIC I HAVE MUSLIM FRIENDS AND STUDIED A LITTLE OF THEIR KORAN(BIBLE) AND MANY OTHERS AND RIGHT AWAY THEY DONT MAKE SENCE SO IM PROBABLY WRONG IM NOT A FORMAL CHRISTIAN I JUST SEE AND GET THE GOOD STUFF OUT OF IT.

ONE last thing Did you know that the president of Iran thinks that it is his duty to bring the messiah(Jesus) so i think thats why he hates Israel

Jose Pena
srjosepena@yahoo.com

“THANKS FOR YOUR TIME!”

THAT WAS GOOD MAN!! THANKS FOR YOUR TIME! AND FOR ALLOWING ME TO TELL YOU AND ALL THAT PEOPLE THAT VISIT YOUR SITE, ABOUT JESUS AND THE BIBLE.

Jose Penahatemail313.html
srjosepena@yahoo.com

Hi Jose,

I saw you're email on NormalBobSmith.com, and was pretty curious about some of the fact that you mentioned. I was wondering if you would be willing to shed some light on where you got these facts or how you came to these conclusions. I mean no disrespect, I was just intrigued by your views. I the questions I have in a numbered format to make things easier, here you go:

1)You state that "98% of religions believe in Jesus", What did you mean by this? Did you mean that they believe he existed? or that he is the Holy Messiah? If its the the last one, is there anyway you could make up a short list of examples of Religions (non-christian) that believe Jesus is the Messiah (links to evidence are bonus points!)? Does this include such major religions as Buddhism, Judaism, Hinduism and Buddhism?

2)This one is much like the first. You state that "almost all of the religions believe in the bible", again does this mean that they believe that the Bible is the word of God or merely that Bibles exist? Is there anyway you could make me a list of the religions that believe that the Bible is the word of God? I know for a fact that Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, etc. don't believe the Bible to be the word of God. If they did they would not be a separate religion, they would be Christians.

That's it for questions right now, I don't want make it seem like to much of a burden! But I did want to mention something else quickly, you state several times that people of the Islamic faith view Jesus as their Messiah, and link to Wikipedia article as evidence. The only problem with this is that Muslims do not believe Jesus was Messiah. In fact the Wikipedia entry that you link to states that several times, it even quotes verses of the Qur'an that point this out. The believe that Jesus was a messenger and prophet of God, but deny that he was God or the Son of God.

Have a good day,
John Z.

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