web site does not promote hate, but rather an opinion. We as Americans
can choose to ingest this opinion or abbandon it. We as family members
can value this family member as a person or as a web site. We have
many choices facing us, dont we? But that ultimately is the beauty
of living in America.
I spent the last 2 weeks, thinking of responding as I spoke to you
about! Please post my letter and my name. I am not asshamed of my
opinions. I spent many nights thinking of a response to the first
family letter you recived. But my responses seemed more motivated
by anger. Now my response is motivated by honesty and relevence.
-Your Supportive Sister (in-law).
been a visitor of your site for some time now. it never fails to
amaze and amuse me...
been reading the correspondence with your anonymous relative and
it's been been a bewildering experience... reading statements like,
"Some of these people are WACK jobs and
should not be given the time of day," and "Princess
Di was a whore, a drunk, and screwed up. She dies in a DUI accident
and the world has this big friggin pity party for themselves like
Cinderella had driven her pumpkin off the bridge into a moat. WAHHHHHH!!"
there is a degree to which i can understand his point (well, sort
of), but just talking about people who clearly have mental illnesses
(bulemia and depression qualify) like some diseased pseudo-race
of people is just apalling on so many levels.
saying that your site attracts two groups of people (or two groups
of quasi-people, from his point of view...) - christian wack-jobs
and anti-christian wack-jobs - is completely inaccurate. yes, you
do attract these people with your site - what else can be expected?
- but they are NOT the only people who visit your site. i would
like to flatter myself by considering myself relatively sane. a
little weird, but somehow sane nonetheless ;). i am by no means
christian-hating, as can be said of many other visitors and fans
or your site as well, i should think. i consider myself fairly level-headed,
and, while no fan of christianity, very tolerant of a religion i
find offensive with all my being. i do hope your relative will take
a break and make note of the stereotypical and offensive way in
which he has expressed his thoughts and opinions on your "wack-job"
slightly sane fan,
Princess Di is a whore?
I found that bit about Princess Di very telling. Where does this
person get off being so judgemental? But this is so typical of Christian
thought...people are judged as some kind of "Force of Good!" or
"Force of Evil!" No one is seen as just people muddling through
the best they can with the tools they have to work with.
ex-wife is a Baptist, and I am no longer a human being to her. Because
I am transgendered, I am pretty much proof that I am a demon possessed
hell-spawn. She treats me abominably for it. If you don't meet some
narrow definition of perfect, you're crap.
anonymous person mentions Mother Theresa. Is the writer anything
like Mother Theresa? Would Mother Theresa call Princess Diana a
whore and a drunk? This somehow made Princess Diana especially deserving
of death? What? Why do people think death and dying is a moral judgement?
All human beings die!
have yet to see ANY Christian survive death. "Well, they're in Heaven.
You can't see them." Oh? Really? I have this empty bottle of Invisible
Ink I'd like to sell you too.
being said, I'd like to believe there is an afterlife. But death
is a mystery, and we don't know. And I KNOW the Christians don't
one more point...Princess Di ALSO did some humanitarian work, if
memory serves. But I guess that doesn't count. :P Because she's
a whore. Just like if I invented a perpetual motion machine, or
discovered the secret of eternal youth, I would be remembered as
that freaky she-male wierdo.
I need to get back to worshipping Satan and being a "Force of Evil!"
made me angry when I first saw your website.
I would like to
clarify something. You probably (assumption) have lots of
hate-mail. I chose the most outrageous ID and subject line
that I could find to get you to notice it. I think you are
creative, intelligent, and irreverent. I do not think YOU
are the hate-monger as much as your potential audience. Go
back and watch "The Life of Brian." (Comedy and social commentary
both!) Most people are weak and do not want to think for themselves.
They want to blame others for their problems, and scapegoat
people when they can.
It made me angry
when I first saw your website. What made me more angry was
the idiotic and hate-filled venom from so-called "Christians."
It is not ours to reproach or be vengeful. Your hate-mail
is obviously from the "if you aint one of us you going to
Funny how you distinguish
in your site between "Catholics and Christians." I would like
to point out that Catholics ARE Christians. We both believe
that Christ died for our sins. Funny how since about 36AD,
many so-called "Christians" have made it a point to hate Catholics.
Are you aware that the KKK hates Jews, Blacks, and Catholics.
And they profess to be a "Christian" group. It was a Christian
group that murdered a Jewish talk-show host in Denver a few
years back. And the "Christian Identity Sect" is another "Christian"
hate-group. Obviously, these people are disturbed and should
be avoided. IMHO your website may bring more of their behaviour
out. These are the same people that murder abortionists. They
cannot let God show his will, they must carry out "their"
version of his justice here.
And what I wrote
still stands about impressionable youth. You are able to distinguish,
some people are not. They may be emotionally or mentally disturbed,
and may act out because of your ideas and actions. I know
you are not responsible for other peoples actions, but the
public taunting and ACTUP type of disruptions are really not
beneficial to you or your cause.
Just some opinions
and thoughts. I respect that you have your opinions and I
have mine. It seems that I will be able to sit at the table
and not mention your website. I have one last recommendation
though. Please buy the book, "Michael Moore is a Fat, Stupid,
White Guy." It may enlighten you a little, or you may learn
some new techniques, I do not know. Until then, enjoy life,
you only get one!!!!!
With all of the
Monty Python references that you're making it surprises me
that there was a point where you were angry at me for the
site. My site is after all entertainment, and in my opinion
the jokes go no further than any Python skit. I've always
loved the parodies they did on the crucifixion. Me going around
town dressed up as Satan and the army of Catholic school girls
is no more inappropriate or offensive than The Life Of Brian.
We're both social commentary and comedy, don't you think?
Do you not agree
with the "If you ain't one of us (Catholic) you're goin' to
hell" statement? Or do you really feel (as you said in your
first letter) that perhaps we're both right? I don't understand
what you mean by that. I do however understand you bringing
up the Christian/Catholic comparison. I was definitely raised
to see where the differences lay (Catholics believe that sin
can be forgiven through priests, Christians believe that Jesus
is the only way to have sins forgiven, and Christians don't
believe that human beings can be divine as Catholics do with
their Popes, Saints and such). The differences in beliefs
separate the two and yet a Christian can sit across from a
Catholic even though he knows goddamn well that the Catholic
is going to hell for the sins he thinks were forgiven in Confession.
One thing I make
it a point not to do is profess my atheism as some result
of Christians who've murdered, condoned hate or aligned themselves
with the KKK. It's as outrageous as saying "Hitler was
a Catholic therefore..."
In all groups there
are mentally and emotionally disturbed people. These groups
also have very nice people involved with them as well. It's
the ideas and concepts that need to be addressed, confronted
and even made fun of (like your Monty Python). I think that
getting people involved, whether it's handing out my fliers
at church, or dressing up in a way that pokes fun is beneficial
to the cause. I think that the most important thing that it
does is expose those who have no sense of humor about themselves,
and that is the root of most corruption in my opinion. Not
being able to laugh at one's self and withstand being made
fun of is where the debate ends and denial begins. And denial,
as we know, is the base ingredient of ignorance.
Please stop saying
that my site incites the mentally disturbed to do harm to
others. You know as well as I do that inciting the mentally
disturbed is no reason to stop telling stories, sharing ideas,
making jokes or expressing beliefs. I refuse to tip-toe through
life because there might be some disturbed person out there
hiding around the next corner. That's an easy trap to fall
into (succumbing to fear) but I've found that when it comes
to mentally-disturbed-ACTUP-types their numbers aren't as
great as some would like you to believe. And for every emotionally
disturbed dangerous wacko there's ten million sane people
who still want to hear ideas and be entertained. Saying that
I might insight wackos is a cop-out. Mel Gibson's movie insights
wackos, therefore Jesus' story should not be told, right?
I have to conclude
this by saying that all the religion stuff is completely absurd
to me now. I don't see how any grown adult can sit there chanting
praises to the heavens without being able to laugh at one's
self. I mean, c'mon. I'm abnormal?
your site is entertainment is like saying Michael Moore
is telling the truth.
Well, saying your
site is entertainment is like saying Michael Moore is telling
Catholics were and are the first Christians. The rest of the
Christians are Protestants. They protest the Catholic Church
and its tenets. That is their choice. So be it. As to divine
inspiration and "saints," that is just a way to express that
some do good on this earth.
For example, look
at Princess Di(e) and Mother Theresa. Princess Di was a whore,
a drunk, and screwed up. She dies in a DUI accident and the
world has this big friggin pity party for themselves like
Cinderella had driven her pumpkin off the bridge into the
helped literally thousands of children and adults and led
a so-called "saintly" life. She got a by-word in the paper
about her life and accomplishments. Where is the justice???
Let's take religion
out of the equation. Mother Theresa was a great person that
helped the suffering masses. Princess Di was a self-absorbed
whore, drunk, bulemic, and all around "party-girl." Why does
our society reward the latter and not the former??? Why is
there the concept of good and evil? When I said that we could
both be right, this is what I meant. Do you choose to do good
in your life, or evil???? If there is no moral construct to
base your decisions, then chaos, of necessity, results. You
seem to try to do good, WITHOUT religion and God. I also try
to do good, WITH religion and God. Is there a difference?
Should there be?? These are interesting questions. But in
reading your website, you have attracted the two most polarized
camps of thought. You have the "God is going to make Bob Smith
burn in hell" school of thought. Then you have the "I hate
Christians and the devil may have them" school of thought.
You are not attracting persons of reasoned discourse or enlightenment.
That is what truly angered me about your site.
Your site also
suggests that it is appropriate to disrupt the activities
of others through "non-violent" protest. Great, except trespassing
is illegal. I knew a boy that got into this stuff. He broke
into a church and trashed the place. His parents told him
that God was stupid, etc, etc. They neglected to teach him
that even if you do not believe, there needs to be respect.
Your site, and its message, is very disrespectful. Rational
commentary about atheism is great. Breaking into church and
disrupting is not. Think about it.
Now go and read
some of your fan mail. Some of these people are WACK jobs
and should not be given the time of day. If you really want
to promote your message, get off the Mancow "grandstanding"
and Barnum and Bailey Circus stuff.
My .02 worth!
If the point at
which you think I crossed the line was the "breaking and entering"
into that church, then you can rest assured that no such thing
happened. The doors were wide open to the public, nothing
was broken and we even whispered & tippy-toed so as not to
disturb the empty room. In fact, I believe that we went completely
Okay, and about
the Catholics being the first Christians. I have to admit
that the debate doesn't concern me one way or the other. I
just made the comparison to show that there are indeed differences
between the two. You've clearly made my point with your protests.
I'm not totally clear where all of the Princess Di bashing
came in or what your point was. Are you simply pointing out
an injustice you think should be mentioned? Is this a Catholics/Christians
I admit it isn't
the easiest thing to be at a family function when you know
that certain family members disagree with you so profusely.
Last Christmas I was simply not going show up at all, but
my mom said to me, "The adult thing to do would be to face
the music." And I couldn't find a single flaw in her statement
no matter how hard I tried. So I went, showed my face in front
of all you guys and I was proud of myself for doing so. I
was quite happy with how it went and even more delighted when
certain other cousins and their spouses (who, apparently,
have to stay anonymous) approached me and said, "I don't
care what anyone else here says, I love the site."
So, somehow there
have been family members who've successfully sat across from
other family members without making a scene. It's been going
on for years, and that's what this is all about. You need
to think of it less like "I can't be around someone who
thinks they're right and I'm wrong" and more like "I
know I'm right and I look forward to shaking Bob's hand even
though he's so wrong."
Hopefully no one
else will cancel their vacations because of me. It's not worth
it. We see each other so infrequently that our differences
shouldn't be effecting our lives.