reading the "Mother Thumper" files in the latest set of hatemail,
it truly struck close to home. I've been one of two atheists
in a town full of white Protestant evangelists. In discussions
with them, much like your discussion with Ma, they passed
off the truth of what I was saying as "Satan taking hold of
you". It is the most frustrating thing I have ever dealt with.
The allure of being part of something bigger than yourself,
being part of "God's army" or "God's chosen people" clouds
minds and suspends logic only to generate false self-worth.
It's frustrating Bob, because I have to cope with oblivion.
I have to make my life worth it through my actions and choices.
after all that, they say the only reason why I'm doing it
is because Satan has a hold of my soul.
is why what you're doing is so incredibly important Bob. You
defeating people like Ma in a public forum in a strong a logical
way gives me more and more hope of a secular society. Unlike
Christianity, Atheists don't have a place to go for support.
Most atheists don't have youth groups or Sunday schools. All
we have is the truth, and a logical look at the world.
look up to you Bob, but not in an reverential way like Ma
suggests I might, but I look up to you because you're a well-spoken,
Thank you Bob.
was reading your latest update with "Ma" Thompson
and I was particulary taken with this part of her ramblings,
"But the many impressionable kids who think you are
"cool" and "follow" you." Besides the fact that this
is a sentence fragment, and maybe in part because of it, this
illustrates a concept I think many Christians can't get around.
Atheism is not about following.
don't follow NBS. I enjoy your website and I think you are
an intelligent and hilarious writer, but I don't follow you.
The only person I follow is myself. Since following Jesus
is based on stories of historical fiction, following you would
make more sence, but it is still intellectual slavery. To
me Atheism has always been about being my own person and not
a child of God or a follower. I can live my own life, make
my own decisions and don't have to worry about putting down
my laundry for telepathic messages from God.
name is Anthony and I am 18 years old, and I am agnostic.
I wonder if maybe that is the reason I am on this site. Anywho.
I am a pretty outgoing kid I guess. I enjoy playing tuba,
bass guitar, guitar, and everything else. I am attending a
local college and I plan on transferring to a 4 year college
in New York City. I hope to achieve a Double Major in History
and Psychology and a Minor in the music field. Now on to the
real reason as to why I am on this page. And I don't care
if this is offensive. Grow up.
had come across Normal Bob Smith's Web page while searching
for things about Jesus on Yahoo!. And I had no idea what the
hell www.jesusdressup.com was, so I decided to take a look
at it. When I saw what it was, I proceeded to laugh profusely.
I thought it was quite funny to find something like that online.
The thought itself was just sheer madness and its comedic
value was among the ranks of shows like Family Guy. After
a while, I decided to try and figure out who did this, and
where can I meet such a person who had this amazing mind.
looking through Bob's site, the part I enjoyed the most was
the hate mail. As I was reading hate mail after hate mail,
I had never grown tired of the replies that some people had
come up with to defend their belief. I mean come on people.
Grow the fuck up. Jesus Dress Up is not mocking Jesus Christ.
Think about it. What about Buddy Christ? Or how about Jesus
Christ action figures? Or any other paraphernalia that depicts
Jesus Christ as a hero of some sort. So there is a problem
dressing him up? Oh Boo freaking Hoo! In case you people didn't
notice, there are other freaking dress ups too. And come to
think of it, you probably didn't think twice about laughing
about it. Dumb bastards. Grow, get a hobby, get a job, and
get a fucking life. Yeah that is great you want to defend
your belief. But you know what? Is it really going to matter
in the end? Eventually as time goes on, Bob will be a mere
electrical impulse stimulated by your brain, so fuck off and
grow the hell up.
then occurred to me that I should meet this fellow. He seemed
pretty cool. So I wrote him a few e-mails and we met up at
Starbuck's on Astor Pl. And just as I thought, he kicked fucking
on to the Mother Thompson thing. You know what "Ma"? This
is becoming really redundant. You can sit there and talk about
this stuff all you want, and it isn't going to do a thing.
Because just like you, everyone else is strong in their beliefs,
so grow the fuck up. And I personally don't like the fact
that you have to get aggravated over something that is beyond
your control. I'm sorry if i don't think you are cool. But
you know what? I don't really give a rat's ass. Oh, now I
know what you are saying. "Oh you are just saying that because
Satan is telling you to do that." FUCK THAT! You know what
I have realized? I'm going to live my fucking life the way
I want to. Not you, or anyone is going to tell me otherwise.
I'm going to make MY own decisions, not Satan or any other
mythological figured created by a human being. Let me let
you in on a little secret Mrs. T. You are never going to change
me. Oh wait, hang on, I know YOUR reply. "No, I won't but
He will." Hmmmm... *thinks about it, thinks about it* Uhhmmm....how¹s
us address another point here. I didn't personally like it
when you said this : "And speaking of turning kids away from
God. One of the kids I spoke to you about....that you told
me to "stop teaching senselessness to" ...... came to NYC
and made an appointment to see you last week. (I have a lovely
picture of the two of you on my screen now that gives me inspiration
to pray for you.) "
of all. Bob is not turning me away from God or anything. The
only thing Bob did was show me that there are other people
out there who think outside of a one-dimensional box. It is
MY choice Mrs. T. MINE!!! NOT ANYONE ELSES! And most certainly
not by a figure made by the cognitive mind of an animal.
last thing before I leave, because this was bugging the hell
out of me.
you spent a few minutes with him....and I'm sure you don't
give him a thought right now........in fact you could give
two shits about him I'm guessing......but I am on my knees
daily praying for him and many other kids that they will find
the truth....and the love of the Christ Jesus that you choose
make fun of. It pisses me off that you are considered more
"cool" than someone who deeply cares. But I'm patient and
persistent and know the truth always comes out.
what does this make you? Really, really special that you are
doing this? First of all, Bob IS cooler than you. Secondly,
get a life. And thirdly, you make Bob sound like an uncaring
son of a bitch, which is highly untrue. Another while we are
on it. You have stereotyped all the people who do not believe
in anything. I had taken offense to that. AND YOU KNOW EXACTLY
WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT! On another note, I really don't care
at all how you take this. This is how I am feeling and so
I guess you will just have to deal with it. And further more,
I have grown tired of debating this because it will never
end. So with that I bid you adieu.
Bob you freaking kick ass. Keep doing what you are doing!
cheered when Ma said "you try too hard to figure something
out that can't be 'figured out'... You want God to make sense...
well He doesn't! You want the supernatural to be natural.
Well it isn't." and you replied "finally
we agree on something: The only way to believe is to stop
trying to figure it out, stop using common sense and put aside
the laws of nature. The only way to accept it for all that
it is is to no longer trust reality."
said many times that everyone knows xianity makes no sense.
Even the xians themselves know it, they just don't care. They
think "making sense" just isn't a priority. They believe god
doesn't have to be logical, in fact they often act proud of
the fact that god defies logic. This is what faith is all
about. Faith gives you permission to take something that you
know makes no sense and believe in it anyway.
myself was an xian for 30 years, gradually becoming more disappointed
by the inconsistencies, until finally I had to take a leap
of un-faith and give myself permission to *stop* believing
what I knew in my heart was fantasy.
the way, I have a new website naturalhippie.com
(not as good as yours but you might enjoy it).
Ralph J. Ball.
am sorry, but just as you can't understand why people
can't see your truth......I can't understand why they
can't see mine.
Well, my goodness!
I didn't expect to see my last letters printed in your webpage
because they weren't all that interesting , or silly, I didn't
think. But I guess you thought it was pretty preposterous
by your reply.
I know you count
on letters to provide a place to voice your opinion. And if
they didn't come in, you wouldn't have much of a page as you
said yourself. And it looks like there will be no shortage
of material for you to use.
You said that
you are basing your belief on the truth. And I feel I am as
well. Truth is ascertained by experience correct? And my faith
in Jesus is based on my personal experience with His Holy
Spirit, the many answers to prayer, the addictions I have
been delivered from, and the joy in hearing Him"speak" to
me. Yes, it is supernatural. Yes, it is mystical. But none
the less a reality that I and and many others know. So for
us, it is the truth and our life.
I am fifty five
years old, soon to be fifty six; Not a young impressionable
girl. The Lord has brought me through many hardships, and
has given me unbelievable joy as well. If I went into detail
about my interaction with Him you would have a "hayday" writing
little jokes about it.....as you certainly would if I were
to tell you of my interaction with satan, as there was a time
that I was involved with "the craft"......so I am aware of
his reality as well.
Yes I am a "fanatic"
but only because He is the truth to me, and I'm excited about
it. Have been for over thirty years. I guess about as long
as you have been alive.
I am sorry, but
just as you can't understand why people can't see your truth......I
can't understand why they can't see mine.
Well I'll say
goodbye for now.
Love "Ma" Thompson
I'm still going to pray for you!
I noticed that
you didn't put up a couple of my letters. I thought the last
one was nice and that it kind of explained that I respect
the fact that we all come from different experiences and all
have a right to believe however we want. That includes you
and me. But I guess you only have so much room to fit letters
I have received
quite a few e-mails from your fans, and some who aren't. And
musing" page has been busy! You are a pretty popular
guy I guess. Well, in a different time and place we might
have been friends as well. And, we may yet be, who knows.
Keep on challenging
the Christians, we need it sometimes. We should be able to
stand up for what we believe. Faith is difficult to explain,
as it is believing in something you can't see, but that is
what Christianity is all about. And in my case, I don't need
faith to know Jesus any more because I know Him now. I need
to "exercise" my faith now for things that look like they
are impossible, but I know God will do. It is "believing before
seeing". I guess another word for that is hope. And that is
a nice gift you get from God too.
Well, Bob. My friend
Anthony says that once you give someone their "own page" you
are pretty much through with them. And it looks like that
is the case, since I haven't heard back from you. But as one
of your fans told me, it is a big job for you to single handedly
maintain your webpage daily. So good luck with it. And may
you find peace in whatever way you find it.
Love "Ma" Thompson
ps. And I'm still
going to pray for you! :-p
you spent a few minutes with him....and I'm sure you don't
give him a thought right now........in fact you could
give two shits about him I'm guessing......but I am on
my knees daily praying for him
I just wanted
to tell you one more time that I am still praying for you.
Why? Because God does love you. I know you say that you don't
believe that because you believe He doesn't exist and that
I am a jerk for believing. I know you make a living saying
those things, but I think that somewhere in your heart you
want God to exist - because everyone does - because you really
know He does.
When you make fun
of people saying things like "tell me what else God transmits
to you.....etc" Well you were making a joke, but God really
does "speak" to many of us. And He is willing to "speak" to
all who take time to get to know Him and learn how to listen.
So you can joke about that all you want....but that doesn't
change the fact that the Lord speaks to me and I don't have
to prove that to anyone......but I do have to tell you of
His love for you.......that is what He tells me. Not that
He is going to strike you with lightening......but that His
heart is breaking about what you say about Him and about what
you are doing to try to turn so many away from Him.
speaking of turning kids away from God. One of the kids
I spoke to you about....that you told me to "stop teaching
senslessness"to ...... came to NYC and made an appointment
to see you last week. (I have a lovely picture of the
two of you on my screen now that gives me inspiration
to pray for you.)
Well, you spent
a few minutes with him....and I'm sure you don't give him
a thought right now........in fact you could give two shits
about him I'm guessing......but I am on my knees daily praying
for him and many other kids that they will find the truth....and
the love of the Christ Jesus that you choose make fun of.
It pisses me off that you are considered more "cool" than
someone who deeply cares. But I'm patient and persistant and
know the truth always comes out.
But, you know,
"Everything satan intends for evil, God uses for good. "You
see you can't win when you go against Him. The exposure you
gave me by posting my letters (althouth you didn't post all
of them did you? Was there too much truth in them?) Anyway,
I got many letters myself as a result of that and I was able
to spread God's love and truth to more than "my kids" Thankyou
for the opportunity.
So again I say,
I love you wit the love of the Lord, I'll keep praying for
you as I pray for my other "kids".....
You've got me pegged.
I don't give two shits about Anthony, there was too much truth
to your emails therefore I refused to post them, and I think
you're a jerk!! I'm a heartless, frightened user. The picture
you've formulated of me in your head is as well thought out
as the "love" you fake for me.
Would you believe
me if I were to tell you that I was happy to meet Anthony?
Is it so hard to fathom that I enjoy meeting people with similar
beliefs? Why would I have scheduled anything with him if I
didn't give a shit? Why would I have even responded to his
email (or anyone's email for that matter) in the first place?
I mean, our 15 minute chat was hardly enough for me to declare
any valid kind of love for him, but I found him friendly,
funny, and enthusiastic. I wouldn't mind at all meeting him
again, and I told him so.
One of the things
I talked about with Anthony was you and all the letters you
sent me. I had actually written out responses to those letters
but before I could send them you had already sent me another,
and another.... and yet another. I couldn't keep up! I talked
about that with Anthony too. I really enjoy your emails Ma.
I know you're trying to get under my skin, you're frustrated
that some of "your kids" listen to me more than you, and your
persistence is admirable. I linked
you up because I want people to talk with you.
Share some of the load, you know? I don't mind you finding
like-minded people through me what-so-ever. I'll
even link you again! I like to deliver the full
experience on my site.
And Ma, I don't
think you're a jerk. My honest perception of you is someone
who does care, fears everlasting hell fire for you and "your
kids" and would never do anything to hurt or mislead them.
I know that you believe the voice in your head is God and
also that I am being fooled by Satan. This is why I invite
you to pray for me Ma. Thousands and thousands of others out
there are doing the same. They're bowing their heads and talking
to themselves about me, thinking that a life form in another
dimension is paying attention. I really don't mind.
You're not a jerk,
you're just silly.
was never scared into believing in Jesus,
I was loved into it.
I know I said
one last time ...one last time ago....and for the life of
me I don't know why I see the need to do this....It would
be a lot less frustrating to just let it go. But just to acknowledge
one or two things you said:
I'm sure you did
enjoy Anthony , he is a great kid, very bright, clever and
funny - probably alot like you were at his age. I just don't
want to see him hurt.
I don't think I
am trying to get under your skin....I think I am trying to
help you , I' sorry you perceive it as some kind of trick.
I don't fear "hellfire"
never did. In fact before I was "a believer", I used to jokingly
say I wanted to go to hell to be with my friends. But I was
never scared into believing in Jesus, I was loved into it.
And yes I am very
frustrated that many more young people listen to you than
to me. So much so that I am brought to tears thinking about
it, as I am now.....but there are a few that do listen to
me and more than to me, to the word of God and to His Holy
Spirit. And as you say, the truth is the truth and it will
be the only thing standing eventually.
I am happy that
my own children have all come to individual relationships
with Jesus in their own way and time. All I could do was plant
seeds and set an example. My son is 40, my daughters : 38,
26,16 and one has been with the Lord since she was born 19
So again I apologize
if I offended you. I guess we can't do each other any good.
So I'll say bye, for now. Maybe our paths will cross sometime.
We can chat over a cup of coffee ! and yes, I will keep praying
Love "Ma" Thompson
Ma, it's important
to me that you understand why I'm doing what I do here. I
also think that explaining myself might show why it is more
young people listen to me instead of you.
The answers that
I give them make sense. They are logical, non mystical, proven
reasons that actually answer their very real inquiries. Being
"loved into believing" almost sounds deceitful. People know
that no amount of love can make fact out of fiction. It doesn't
take long for them to realize that everything you say is only
based on feelings and nothing more.
And all of this
mentioning of "love" and the praying all of the time for everybody
doesn't help your cause either. I've always felt that the
minute you start taking credit for the "selfless deeds" they're
no longer selfless.
If I were a Christian
I'd let the prayers speak for themselves, and I'd never rub
it in my subject's face or boast about it to my email acquaintances.
Deep down inside I'd know that God's listening and in due
time, when He sees fit, the prayers would be answered and
my graciousness would be recognized... in heaven I guess.
But we all know
I ain't a Christian, so hear me when I declare: I got double
whatever love you got for everyone and for each prayer you
pray for one kid I wish upon a star for ten.
think there is a battle going on for the kid's souls,
I think that is the battle I am in. I think you are
as well... I believe satan us using you as one of his
pawns to help lead to the deaths of the spirits of these
hope you are not purposly trying to lead these kids
I was on my way
upstairs with a load of laundry in my arms, and the Lord gave
me such a thought that I had to put the laundry down and send
this thought on to you, as it was about you.
Now, I hope I can
word this in a way that you can't pick it apart and make too
much fun of it, but even if you do. The truth is the truth.
It seems that right
before God does something "big" - something that effects all
of mankind - there is a "slaughter of the innocent". It is
usually when satan wants to get rid of someone important that
he knows God is "raising up" for a special purpose. ie: Moses
/ Joseph / and of course Jesus. He never knows exactly who
it is,so he inspires mass murders to get rid of all or most
of the likely candidates.
The reason I mention
this is that is seems these days a "slaughter of the innocent"
is taking place. Not only with suicides, and serial killings
or enen at the hands of abortionists - in a physical death.
But there is a death of spirit that seems to be grabbing our
young people. I think there is a battle going on for the kid's
souls, and I think that is the battle I am in. I think you
are as well. Many of us "Christians" think that the younger
generation is "the Joshuah generation" They are the ones that
will be on fire for Jesus and help usher in "the end times"
like Joshuah brought the people into the "promised land".
You may not even
know it....actually I hope you aren't aware of it. But I believe
satan us using you as one of his pawns to help lead to the
deaths of the spirits of these kids. You can make a joke of
it if you wish. But that letter of Anthony's cut to my heart.
Not because of the words he said, but because that was just
not Anthony. He hasn't got the heart to say those words as
he did. I'm not saying he didn't write that. I know he did,
but I think his desire to be in your good graces overrode
the spark of life in his spirit, that I have seen in him and
God is "fanning".
It is not only
Anthony that I am concerned about. But the many impressionable
kids who think you are "cool" and "follow" you. When I read
their comments and see their photos..and some of them have
written to me personally as a result of being on your site,
I see - a slaughter of the innocent - Their young spirits
are being shot down. As I said. I hope you do think it is
a joke...I hope you are not purposly trying to lead these
kids to destruction. Because than you as well have hope.
Now I don't get
paid for writing to you...and I hate to argue about the existance
of God. Actually, as far as I'm concerned..no one has ever
proved to me He doesn't exist - because they can't. And believe
me I really don't want to push the "send" button because I
can just imagine what you will do with this...But I am hoping
that you will heed it.
Well Bob. However
you will take this - I said what I was told to say. And I
hope you take it serioulsy. I'm not picking on you...there
are many ways the kids are being "attacked" It is just that
God seems to have put me in your "space" for some reason.
I go to bat for the kids where ever I am.
I guess this letter
could go either way..you could post it and cut it up. I did
give you a lot of "material". Or you could ignore it and chuck
it. But you have read it and I hope it helps you. Now, back
to the laundry!
Wow. Wow Ma wow.
Ma, I am going
to hold back on jokes for this particular letter. For one,
it's too easy and predictable, but the other reason is because
you reveal everything in this email, and showing what I mean
makes this interesting enough without the jokes.
Have you ever considered
the possibility that you are just a simple, regular lady,
no different than any other lady you'd randomly point at in
a crowd of regular ladies? Maybe that laundry basket paints
a wonderful analogy of what your life has been and your longing
to drop it for a larger more significant purpose? And maybe
your struggle to find this purpose shows itself in the
web page you update daily, your self-proclaimed
role as mother to all of the children, and the battle you
think you're in against me, Satan and the Slaughterers of
Ma, I relate to
this ache for purpose and the temptation to think yourself
greater and more powerful. It's another self indulgent trait
that even the most devout, God fearing Christian succumbs
to. We are a selfish, gluttonous race no matter how meek we
claim or are told to be.
I know that I am
just a guy. I'm extremely average looking and I'm sort of
a computer nerd. My life is what I've made it and at present
I am satisfied with how things are going. I'm lucky to have
a creative outlet, and that it somehow pays my bills. I still
hope to find love but am confident that as long as I stay
in check with reality then I'll continue to grow, learn and
Ma, you have lost
touch with reality. This is what happens when you submit to
believing. I say "submit to believing" because it is a submission
of logic & sense to fears of death, loneliness, purposelessness
and insignificance. These are things that humans who don't
believe have to deal with and conquer on their own during
their lifetime. It's a difficult but rewarding struggle.
Belief is not something
you can choose. True belief forces its way into your head
and no matter how much you'd like to believe something different
you cannot deny that which you truly believe. This is just
fact. I say this about you and me and everyone else.
The battle you
are in is in your head. The thoughts you have while carrying
laundry are not put there by God. It is your brain trying
to solve your beliefs ...and your life. And being a mother
for the last 40 years with kids ranging from 16 to 40, finding
yourself now craving purpose, this battle for the souls of
the Joshua Generation sounds like just what the brain ordered.
can never be lonely with the constant presence of the
Holy Spirit. In fact times alone give me precious moments
with the Lord (and I can yell and swear at Satan out
loud with no one around to think I have really flipped
You have a cute
picture of me...little old lady carrying the laundry basket
in a boring hum drum life with two cats in the yard and a
meatloaf in the oven. Well you can picture what you want.
That isn't exactly it. But it might be nice to try sometime.
(when the battle is over).
And if my brain
manufactured all that I said..wow indeed, what a creative
brain I have, huh!
I have not "lost
touch with reality" this is reality. It just seems strange
in a world that has been "upside down" for quite a while.....well
maybe even forever. I do not fear death, I look forward to
"going home". I can never be lonely with the constant presence
of the Holy Spirit. In fact times alone give me precious moments
with the Lord (and I can yell and swear at Satan out loud
with no one around to think I have really flipped out. (now
there you go. That's the best material I've given you yet,
you could even draw a cartoon of me battling the devil in
my kitchen...with a turkey baster or something!)
And you think
I feel purposlessness, and insignificance..oh no no no! There
is no child of God that is without purpose or insignificant.
Many don't know their purpose or know they have one. But God
created everyone, even you Bob, with a specific purpose in
mind. I'm sure you were supposed to use your creativity for
something that would built people up not tear them down. And
to create something beautiful not ugly. And your wit to bring
joy not ridicule.
And you still could
do that. You know in your heart that you would feel better
about yourself if you did. And you could. And you would have
just as much fun. I know because I used to "get off" on insulting
and shocking people too. And I wouldn't have thought I would
enjoy life as a "Jesus Freak" But Low and behold! I do!
you know, I think
your problem is you try too hard to figure something out that
can't be "figured out"...You want God to make sense....well
He doesn't! You want the supernatural to be natural. Well
it isn't. So you mock it because you can't make God conform
to your belief, or non-belief. See it's the other way around
- you are supposed to conform to Him. And by "conform" I don't
mean become a wind-up "religious clone" - God hates that too.
And I may sound like that because I speak of things that are
"a given" because there are certain "basics" that apply. But
each person should be an individual with different boundaries
depending on their maturity and what they can "handle"...Everything
is ok for a Christian.....oops gotta run..going to the dentist!
(another boring normal thing ya gotta do!) lol
I'll talk to you
again soon, I'm sure. "Love" - "ma
Ma, there won't
be any convincing me that this isn't all in your head. Yes,
every person has a very creative brain, especially when it
comes to overcoming one's fear.
I do NOT think
that you feel purposeless. You have the "supernatural battle
in the sky" going on in your brain to give you purpose. You
are NOT lonely because you have a constant voice in your head
keeping you company. What I am trying to explain is that without
this contrived enemy (Satan), battle (for the souls of the
Joshua Generation), hero (Jesus), best friend (The Holy spirit),
puppet master (God) and chosen one (Ma Thompson) you would
feel purposeless and insignificant. And feeling purposeless
and insignificant is a humble and modest reality to accept.
Accepting it helps one deal with reality and make something
of one's self in the real world.
But it seems finally
we agree on something: The only way to believe is to stop
trying to figure it out, stop using common sense and put aside
the laws of nature. The only way to accept it for all that
it is is to no longer trust reality. This is what's necessary
for belief... and this is where God fucked up.
God's biggest blunder
was expecting human beings to live sane/productive lives with
this initial set of ground rules: "To live outside of reality
and logic." And God does not make mistakes, therefore He does
not exist, and reality (as it turns out) is really what it
appears to be and common sense is a valuable commodity (as
it proves itself to be). And I believe you are a confirming
testament to this.
It doesn't get
any simpler that that.
Is there anything to discuss beyond this revelation?
I think not.
Ma on her one
web page (updated daily).