little 9 year old Ryan certainly got a rise out of my audience.
He's also taken the battle to his
own site, so feel free to contact him there with your thoughts
and feelings on the subject.
are letter from my readers addressed to Ryan.
am bored and writing you is about all there is to do in my
wholely eventful and overly wonderful life. The Ryan guy on
your last Hate mail page was by far one of the dumbest.
I have to agree with you totally that his ideas are a classic
example of the brainwashing that is the Christian religion.
Well, most religions for that matter. This email is much shorter
because well... I have no intention of saying anything worth
mentioning to the universe as a whole, just a bored college
student passing the time and wishing he was getting laid.
is an email I sent to Ryan, from your newest page of hate
mail, page 135. Attached is a real picture of Ryan from his
Xanga Weblog Community.
poor Ryan. If you knew anything of evolution, you would know
that it is absolutely not a mistake. A freak of nature, like
a three armed baby is a mistake. Evolution is the physical
improvement of a species. It is no fluke. Just as smoking
cigarettes for long enough can cause cancer, it is all cause
and effect. You would do well to remember that. But, if you
would like to think I am wrong, be my guest. It will only
further my cause. Okay, so we are a mistake, a fluke. So?
Who cares? You do. You, and all other creationists who are
so high and mighty that they donıt want to think they have
no true purpose. Or that it is below them to think that they
came from monkeys. People donıt like something, they pretend
it doesnıt exist. At least when it comes to evolution. You
donıt like being the descendent of an ape. So, you arenıt.
It doesnıt work that way Ryan. If you have cancer, and you
donıt like that idea, pretending it doesnıt exist doesnıt
make it go away. All the praying in the world wonıt help either.
You need to admit to yourself that you are not a special flower.
You are just another blade of grass like the rest of us.
and what is so difficult about being Christian. You do realize
the 10 commandments and the 7 deadly sins donıt matter anymore
right? Jesus got rid of all that shit a long time ago. Nope,
all you have to do is believe in the ghosts of deities and
you get eternal happiness, on your knees in front of the Big
Guy, saying Amen Amen Amen. As for the atheists, agnostics
and apathysts, we have a much harder time in life. We actually
have to strive to be good people, so that the lives we have
led actually matter. And we have to face the cold concept
of oblivion. But, at least we can accept it. We know what
life is really about, we donıt really like the concept, but
we make the best of it.
go get some pimpin clothes on, and do your true duty as a
human. Make some fuckinı babies.
and self creationist,
Apathyst and God-Erasure-ist
I would let you know that I sent this off this morning. This
one really got to me for some reason.
I must say I'm very rarely compelled to respond to Bob's hate
mailers, but your writings really struck me. There are so
many directions I could go with this. First off, let's say
there is a god and this is the god that you have chosen to
worship. Have you read the bible? Do you realize how selfish
this god is? He created a whole race of beings for no purpose
other than to worship him. Then he created other races, unable
to worship him, which in turn get no 'reward' for living as
people get 'heaven.' How could you worship someone like that?
Why not worship Hitler? or Marx? or Henry the VIII? They were
selfish. Okay, they didn't create you, but Darwin figured
that one out yes?
Taking a different direction, let's say there is a god and
evolutionism is a random mistake, or maybe something god created
to keep us occupied as scientists. How do you feel god is
worthy of worship? I'm sure you're familiar with the term
'god fearing christian', and sadly they are just that, afraid
of god. If god were truly worthy of your time, and worship
then you would not live in fear of him, you would think of
him as a friend. When you were little you were most likely
afraid of the dark, most people are, but did you worship it?
Didn't think so. All the reasons that you worship god would
lead to the worship of other things. You want heaven, take
Worshipping god is no more logical than worshipping any inanimate
object, you do it for something to believe in. Why not believe
in yourself instead? You might be afraid to let go of the
fact that life is purely biological and once it's over, it's
over, but when you do you'll realize how liberating it is.
Never take life too seriously, because you can never get out
of it alive.
seems awfully angry at evolution. He seems to have been
seriously hurt or let down by science in the past.
is your purpose for living?
Sorry Bob, I don't
hate you. You are who you are, you know the truth, you've
chosen not to accept it (from what I've read of your background).
It's YOUR choice. I can't judge you, I have no right to judge
is your purpose for living? Are you a mistake? If you beleive
in evolution you are a mistake, you have no purpose. What
you may think your purpose in living is to have a good/pleasureable/long
life. Whats hard about being a Christian is being able to
proove things without using the bible. Whats hard about not
being a Christian is being able to proove the bible wrong.
People beleive what they want to beleive, but let don't let
ANY PERSON judge you, there is only one who can judge you.
Do you honestly
see no purpose to life if your god doesn't exist? Do you have
any idea how much that question says about your own self worth?
There is great
meaning to life Ryan! The first thing that comes to mind is
yourself! Do everything that you can, make something of this
existence and make it something you can be proud of!
And what about
other people? They're the most important thing there is! Sure
people are flawed and they'll let you down regularly but that
doesn't mean there's no purpose to living!
I realize that
you've been taught the motto "Tomorrow is promised to no one"
but living in fear is no way to live. When it comes to the
meaning of life my motto has been "Tomorrow is reason enough."
I mean, there's really a better chance that you'll be alive
tomorrow than dead. Simply enjoying life is the best thing
you can do for everyone! If you enjoy life it shows, and it
effects other people and your own success as well.
Contrary to what
you've been told, it's not hard at all to prove the Bible
wrong. In fact it's as simple as proving an armload of dinosaur
bones aren't Adam & Eve's. The Bible has so many flaws that
the only struggle is trying to prove it right.
alone show how messed up your beliefs are and what a number
they've done on your self esteem. Unfortunately they also
expose the reasons you believe what you do... and they aren't
the right reasons Ryan.
|The motivation of Christianity is so high that people can say, 'I can't wait to die.
why live life if
your just going to die, you can't look back and be proud of
it, you can't say, "wow I made a difference." The motivation
of Christianity is so high that people can say, "I can't wait
to die." Because of the riches of heaven. If you have no purpose
for this life, there is no reason to live it, because your
baseing your entire being on a bunch of coincidences and mistakes.
I beleive you when you say that the bible can be proven wrong
and it does contridict what it says sometimes, through thousands
of years it's hard to keep translations and history complety
accurate, but it's better than basing your life on what you
think you know. There is context behind what the bible has
to say. If you are telling me that there are things in the
bible that you can prove wrong, give me an example, show me.
If you beleive
in no god then what is there to live for? I do beleive in
a god and I do have a reason to live. I don't think of it
as, there is no reason to life so it doesn't matter what I
do. I think of it as; LIVE YOUR LIFE, if you die you die,
oh well you can't control it, but when you do die, it is going
to be better than what it is here on earth.
There is only one
thing on this earth that is flawed, humans, everything else
does EXACTLY what they were meant to do. Don't beginnings
have to come from some other beginnings end? When was the
beginning of anything? You cannot prove that, Christians can
say, the beginning of everything is when God made the beginning.
They can back it up with the book that has been the best selling
for thousands of years. If you say, big bang or I evolved
from a monkey, what do you have to back that up? A science
book? Science is theories, no one was there to say, "Yes,
that's what happened," But in the bible, someone was.
P.S. I like your
philosphy of things, but I just don't believe it.
I love this letter
you've written Ryan! You're the reason I got into the "Complaint
Department" business in the first place!
"Why live life
if you're just gonna die?"
You're totally serious about this "theory" aren't you? Do
you enjoy life even just a little? Are you doing anything
with yourself or are you totally relying on this all-the-riches-of-heaven"
Okay, I know things
suck sometimes but is there nothing you've got to look forward
to besides death? Is this what a belief in God does to people?
It's a crime. "I
can't wait to die?" Did you really say that? Are all you guys
really thinking this? Christ, you yourself said that "the
bible can be proven wrong and contradicts what it says." Does
that concern you in the least while you're sitting there waiting
to die? Does the fairy tale flavor of it all put even a little
doubt in your head?
I'm also bedazzled
by your complete dissing of science books. Do you buy into
their theories on where rain comes from or how dandelions
reproduce, or are those more useless theories too?
But Ryan, we do
agree on one thing (and you've proved it here today); people
are flawed (some beyond my comprehension), and that's all
the more reason to stop waiting to die and do something you
can be proud of now.
PS. I am disturbed
by your philosophy but I see why you've talked yourself into
bible has some parts that I beleive can be unaccurate,
because humans translated it, but that doesn't mean that
the whole thing is unaccurate, just very small parts.
I think you may
have misunderstood what I was trying to say, or I said something
that didn't make sense. The truth is I don't think anyone
really wants to die. We like the life we have because of love
and luxuries, but all that would be meaningless if you had
no purpose for your life. For example, the bible tells Christians
that they were created for: Discipleship, Evangelism, Worship,
Missions and Serving; which overall prepares you for heaven.
You are supposed to make the most of your life because it
is so short compared to eternity. The exact words and meanings
of what the bible has to say may have been written with a
different message than what we get out of it, because it was
translated by humans, which are imperfect, which makes the
bible imperfect, it would have to be, but that is all part
of God's plan. What we get out of the bible is exactly what
God wants us to get out of it because he created the translators
specially to give the exact translation that he wanted. There
is a difference between a human promise and a promise that
Jesus makes. Jesus was perfect, unlike us. So you can keep
him to his promise, he has NO flaws.
"I can't wait to
die" I didn't think you would take it so literally lol, but
what I was trying to say was that Christians have no reason
to be afraid of their death because of heaven. In heaven you
ARE NOT human. When a science book says "rains comes from
clouds," it can prove that it actually does, and a science
book can prove how dandelions reproduce. But if you say everything
in a science book is completey accurate, you have to be wrong,
because once again humans are flawed and humans wrote that
science book. That is why I say that the bible has some parts
that I beleive can be unaccurate, because humans translated
it, but that doesn't mean that the whole thing is unaccurate,
just very small parts, just as a science book.
I am ashamed of
your "Complaint Department" because of the way some of the
"Christians" have responded to your site. There are two options
that a real Christian has if they were to view your site:
ignore it or try telling you the 'truth'. One way that people
have done it, is by pointing out flaws and giving you the
message "your going to Hell sinner!" How embaressing, they
are making fools of themselves and of all Christians.
Ryan, those aren't
the only Christians making fools of themselves, and of all
Christians. You've no idea how much of what you write is "unaccurate".
I would like to
talk about the statement: "You are supposed to make the
most of this life because it is short compared to eternity."
This motto / theory / instruction / whatever is horribly flawed,
and it exposes the enormous gaping hole that is the Christian
Let me give you
an example. Do you appreciate something more when you have
one of it or two of it? If you had only one sandwich, would
you be more likely to make the most of that sandwich than
if you had two sandwiches? Now let me give you an even better
example. If you had two sandwiches, one of which was a ham
& cheese sandwich and the other was an endless sub sandwich
that stretched out on top of a long long table that disappeared
off into the horizon, made of ham and cheese and baloney and
lettuce and tomatoes with different sections and different
fillings, like, a mile down it turned into an ice cream sandwich,
then another mile down it became a bacon sandwich and then
an egg salad sandwich and a lobster sandwich and so on, would
you make the most of that first ham sandwich? I don't think
you would. In fact, I bet while you were eating that first
sandwich you would carelessly let cheese, bread and ham bits
fall to the ground, throwing out the crust while you stared
longingly at that eternal sub stretched out over a billion
light years of dinner table.
I understand that
this is not what the believer is supposed to do, but unfortunately
this is what happens. And that atheist with that one ham and
cheese sandwich not only makes the most of it, but tries to
find a way to improve it, searching for a dill pickle to have
on the side, hacking away at the ground with a butter knife
in hopes of finding water for a beverage, and maybe even ice
if he can figure out how to build some sort of freezing machine...
out of the TV tray his sandwich sits on.
Now let me paint
for you an even scarier picture. Let's say that this second
sandwich (the eternal everything sandwich as described earlier)
is only promised. And it's being promised to you by
someone who also promises to never break his promise... and
he also promises that he exists. And all of these promises
are written out kind of haphazardly on a sticky Post-it-note
next to that singular ham sandwich. Okay, but the word "promise"
is underlined every single time, I'll give you that.
And finally, let
me put forth one final analogy. Picture if you will several
hundred people standing in your vicinity (all of whom have
already eaten most of their sandwich) assuring you that the
Post-it-note has got to be true, and not to worry. They're
almost 100% positive that the guy who wrote the note can be
trusted. Oh yeah, and he died.
That's where I'm